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Drafty old house- help (by Jen [OH]) Sep 10, 2016 1:45 PM
       (by Frank [NJ]) Sep 10, 2016 1:53 PM
       (by plenty [MO]) Sep 10, 2016 2:04 PM
       (by Jen [OH]) Sep 10, 2016 2:19 PM
       (by Frank [NJ]) Sep 10, 2016 2:46 PM
       (by Homer [TX]) Sep 10, 2016 2:56 PM
       (by Jen [OH]) Sep 10, 2016 3:02 PM
       (by hollis [MA]) Sep 10, 2016 4:21 PM
       (by busy, busy, busy [WI]) Sep 10, 2016 8:21 PM
       (by nhsailmahker [NH]) Sep 11, 2016 6:08 AM
       (by Vee [OH]) Sep 11, 2016 6:46 AM
       (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Sep 11, 2016 9:23 AM
       (by Jen [OH]) Sep 11, 2016 9:32 AM
       (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Sep 11, 2016 12:11 PM
       (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Sep 11, 2016 12:32 PM
       (by Jen [OH]) Sep 11, 2016 1:04 PM
       (by hollis [MA]) Sep 11, 2016 1:49 PM
       (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Sep 11, 2016 1:50 PM
       (by Jen [OH]) Sep 11, 2016 3:04 PM
       (by Vee [OH]) Sep 11, 2016 4:40 PM
       (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Sep 11, 2016 4:43 PM
       (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Sep 14, 2016 7:41 PM
       (by Jen [OH]) Sep 15, 2016 5:37 AM

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Drafty old house- help (by Jen [OH]) Sep 10, 2016 1:45 PM
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There was a remodel of a large old house in northern Ohio. Due to waiting at the time expenses and costs baseboard electric heat was installed in first and second story. The tenant last year stated the house got drafty and chilly.

The resident's mother had stated she was just too fussy, so I really don't know if it's a fussy resident or a legitimate concern. She said the baseboard heat was not working. contractors were out to look at it and said it was.

Perhaps it was working and just not to her satisfaction is poorly insulated and has old windows.

Would it make more sense to put insulation into the walls with fillable insulation or put in a gas furnace? This person receives assistance on her electric bill so the bill will not exceed about $80 a month ever. It's a good resident that I don't want to lose. I can get a used a gas furnace installed for under $1000. That does not mean the resident will be happy with the gas bill. --74.141.xx.xx




Drafty old house- help (by Frank [NJ]) Sep 10, 2016 1:53 PM
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if she qualifies for a program then she might [maybe] be eligible for something under a community development block grant. Goodle that program for your city/county.

Insulation is like your best bet, but others here will know best.

A used gas furnace [?] [not including new service / old gas service upgrade might not be the best long run idea. Again look for a program from gov't/ utility.

For a furnace....do you have ductwork? That could cost a good bit. Thogh costly you may want to consider steam or hot water baseboard...cast iron if you can stand the cost.

Electric just heats the air and dissipates as soon as there is a draft --173.70.xxx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by plenty [MO]) Sep 10, 2016 2:04 PM
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Perhaps she doesn't understand how to use it. Perhaps she is turning it off or up or dowb and it can't catch up, my guess is user expectation and not understand how it works. --66.87.xx.xx




Drafty old house- help (by Jen [OH]) Sep 10, 2016 2:19 PM
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When getting the heat installed the sizes were based on room size. If anything I should think she would turn them up to maximum.

Is there any chance of a community grant could go into the app for this winter? --74.141.xx.xx




Drafty old house- help (by Frank [NJ]) Sep 10, 2016 2:46 PM
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"Is there any chance of a community grant could go into the app for this winter? " no one here knows that answer, though it is unlikely.

You had what, 6, 7 months to find out? Gov't moves slowly.

who pays the heat/electric bill....you or her? oh wait....I think you say its here.....its her problem that she does not turn it up enough to heat the unit to her satisfaction OR.....the heaters in insufficient [or likely inappropriate] for the job --173.70.xxx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by Homer [TX]) Sep 10, 2016 2:56 PM
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I would stay away from any used furnace. If like the type of 80% gas furnaces we use in Texas, this can be purchased new for right around $500, just for the unit. Check out ac wholesalers.com --75.141.xxx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by Jen [OH]) Sep 10, 2016 3:02 PM
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Frank

I thought it was remedied last winter. I just received notification that she was unhappy after contractors went out and I thought fixed the problem.

I will pay to insulate.

Never heated with just electric baseboard but according to room sizes what was put in was more than large enough for sq footage of rooms.

If drafty is the issue...with old windows, not sure that insulation will fix the issue. --107.77.xxx.x




Drafty old house- help (by hollis [MA]) Sep 10, 2016 4:21 PM
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I would definaley do a "blower door" check,..if you don't know what that is check them out on Youtube. Perhaps a "infrared scan" to see where/if you are loosing excess heat (also examples on Youtube).

Some state/utilities do it for free but if not, privaters can do it,..generally not too expensive.

With the blower door,..you would be surprised what a couple of guys can do in a few hours,.caulking, weather stripping, etc.(I like to use 30 year Alex plus clear by DAP. for calking,..) --66.30.xx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by busy, busy, busy [WI]) Sep 10, 2016 8:21 PM
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Insulated curtains can really cut down on draftiness. Be sure to size them pretty much floor to ceiling, and go past the width of the windows a good bit.

The first house my husband and I owned was drafty, with two large windows in living room and I managed to find a really large pair of insulated draperies at a church rummage for about five bucks. I also sewed a 'window quilt' for a lower level family room. Those two window treatments made huge improvement.

Check to see if the attic insulation is recommended amount for you area. Attic insulation prevents the draftiness that comes from , hot air rising' (up into the attic.) Much 'draftiness' is that heat movement, or so I've been told. --70.92.xxx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by nhsailmahker [NH]) Sep 11, 2016 6:08 AM
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Call your local Community Action Agency. They are the ones that do the Federal Govt Weatherization program for low income residents. CALL MONDAY !! --96.61.xx.xx




Drafty old house- help (by Vee [OH]) Sep 11, 2016 6:46 AM
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Not sure where you are in NE-OH, there is a active landlord meeting in Parma at Golden Corral on the 3rd Wed, likely you could get help there - google reiano -, Akron Canton also has a good group, I have heard a lot about Ashtabula which I will be visiting next month as I work a late harvest in that area.

If the house does not have the vents it will be akward to get a forced air heater in place as the walls will need to be opened for treated air and the return air to the machine, the metal alone in a 2 story would prolly be close to 5000 without the actual heater - should have been done with rehab work as it is very dirty work.

Ask for me if you attend this month in Parma. --76.188.xxx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Sep 11, 2016 9:23 AM
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The weakest link in the chain is the windows which often cause the most air leakage. If the windows are single pane with wooden frames have a R factor is only one if there is no air leakage. Upgrading the insulation in the walls and ceiling will reduce the heat loss significantly. Here new construction has a R factor of 20 for the walls and R 40 for the ceiling. Buying a used furnace is never a good option as furnace that is ten years old the heat exchanger can fail which is going to leak carbon monoxide. A ten year old furnace is like a ten year old car where the furnace is at the end of its life expectancy. Often wooden windows may have lead paint so it is better to replace. Sealing up any spaces or gaps can be done with a few cans of insulation foam along weather stripping all entrance doors. --184.147.xx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by Jen [OH]) Sep 11, 2016 9:32 AM
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Even with brand-new windows I encourage people to do the plastic covering and the winter. If that is done properly does it have the equivalent protection of brand-new windows? Unfortunately replacing all the windows in this large house is not an option financially right now. What would be the minimum R-value of blown in insulation that would be recommended?

The windows are the old single pane wood frame. --74.141.xx.xx




Drafty old house- help (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Sep 11, 2016 12:11 PM
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Replace the larger windows first then gradually over time change the other windows. Try to fix the windows which are not replace with chalking along sealing up with spray foam insulation around the window. The most difficult part of replacing windows is removing the old window. If one was able to change themselves without hiring out the labour cost would be not be there. Allow a half inch around the window. There are many videos on you tube on how to do things which can be a great deal of help including adding insulation. R factor for insulation materials varies. The higher R factor is more expensive but more cost effective. If one breaks out a wall removed all the plaster then insulation can be installed then drywall can be put up. Adding a layer of bubble wrap over the insulation material improves the R factor. Suppose it would not be possible but if the walls had a R factor of 40 and ceiling had a R factor of 50 there would be no need for heating or cooling system. --207.164.xxx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Sep 11, 2016 12:32 PM
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do NOT waste your time on a single home improvement until you have an energy audit done. If her electric is subsidized..... then you can probably get it done for free --96.61.xx.xx




Drafty old house- help (by Jen [OH]) Sep 11, 2016 1:04 PM
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I looked up blower door. Appears I can spend a few grand to buy-I won't or go without. What is the fastest way to get the energy audit finished? --107.77.xxx.x




Drafty old house- help (by hollis [MA]) Sep 11, 2016 1:49 PM
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" I looked up blower door. Appears I can spend a few grand to buy-I won't or go without."

HUH!?,.. you don't go and BUY a blower door,..you hire someone to DO It,..Last time it cost me 40.00.... --66.30.xx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Sep 11, 2016 1:50 PM
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WHO is subsidizing her electric bill? That is who you call for a free energy audit. Here in NH the community action agency does it and also every single utility offers them at reduced fee of $100.

--96.61.xx.xx




Drafty old house- help (by Jen [OH]) Sep 11, 2016 3:04 PM
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What companies do the blower door test? --75.185.xxx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by Vee [OH]) Sep 11, 2016 4:40 PM
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The better hvac guys, even little peanut guys like me, but I built mine from an old furnace blower, added the variable speed control and manometer connections from castaway pilot tubes, then you can run it before and after caulking things, a real easy one is replace all the outlets with the correct type and polarize them correctly on the perimeter walls - squirt in a little blob of spray foam and hurry up put the cover on (I only use metal cover plates - they dont crack even with the stuff ooozing out), same idea with the new switches, this saves a lot of leaking times how many outlets on the perimeter? --76.188.xxx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Sep 11, 2016 4:43 PM
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Jen, For the last time- On Monday - Call the Community action agency - ask for weatherization - if they cant help they will tell you where to call.

Get a professional energy audit - dont spin your wheels - they are almost free --96.61.xx.xx




Drafty old house- help (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Sep 14, 2016 7:41 PM
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How tall are your ceilings in this place.....if they are taller than 8 ft, it might be more difficult for the baseboard to get the place room --24.239.xx.xxx




Drafty old house- help (by Jen [OH]) Sep 15, 2016 5:37 AM
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Not high ceilings.

I contacted community action and looks like a good fit for winterization. Resident is gathering proof of income. --107.77.xxx.x



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